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  things are gettn interestinger and interestinger every day.

  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  Does anybody really know what time it is?

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/middle_east/newsid_1844000/1844935.stm

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  things are gettn interestinger and interestinger every day.

  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  No Larouche quote or link?

  My oversight. Here ya go >http://www.larouchepub.com/lar/1999/lar_mad_brzezinski_2614.html

  Do the names Hiroshima and Nagasaki mean anything to you?

  Yes, of course. They are synonomous with Fat Man and Little Boy.

  Also, I am not understanding (if the demons know they are toast) why didnt they get Hitler the A-bomb plans?

  Maybe they tried to and failed? Who knows?

  If you see your kid, or your neighbors kid getting beat up by an older, bigger, more powerful kid, and you do nothing but say: "Well, I told him not to go outside. Im going to let him get beat up as a sort of object lesson. And if by chance he gets hurt, (or dies) hey, no problem, I can always have another kid."

  Wrong analogy. Jehovah has disowned the world and the world has disowned Jehovah. Up to the present moment Jehovah has kept the sun shining upon his enemies, but that is only temporary. A disaster is the only possible outcome for such a God-hating wayward system of things.

  Jehovah is waiting for HIS specified time, patient, because he does not desire any to be destroyed? OK Yet, some will always be destroyed. If the test questions are obivous then end the test. But dont play with people's lives like a puppet master.

  You aren't in any position to be giving God orders, are you?

  Waiting on the WTBS, fosters, inculcates, BREEDS, a lack of life responsibility and that is a perfect way to be manipulated by fear.

  You have a very warped sense of what Jehovah's Witnesses are all about. The Watchtower isn't going to bring about God's kingdom. What gave you that idea? The truth is, we have a greater sense of responsibility to be true to God not lesser.

  You never have to take action. You simply drift.

  What action are you taking?

  Say what? As long as your pain is ended, who gives a rat's @ss who else dies? After all your God has blessed the event? Where the hell is your humanity?

  Whoever wants this wicked system to go on crushing manking year-after-year is lacking in humanity. Jehovah has promised to replace this world with a better one. Righteous people think that that is wonderful. Wicked people think God is a bully if he allows them to suffer the full impact of their folly. That's just the way it is.

  How about a real test? Take away Satan and his "demons" influence. Restore man to a sinless state, bring the earth back inline FIRST. Show mercy by sparing life, not taking it. See what happens to that hard hearted CEO when he doesnt have to work 100 hrs week to keep up with the Jones'

  That's exactly what Jehovah is going to do. Perhaps you just need a Bible study. But, the thing is, the present world is facing a meltdown. It is too bad for sure, but it's not God's fault that people are wicked and stupid and refuse to take note of what's going on is it? God didn't build thousands of nuclear warheads did he? No, at some point there's going to be hell to pay for all the innocent blood that has been shed. Jehovah's judgment is that those who sow the wind reap the whirlwind of destruction. / You Know
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  things are gettn interestinger and interestinger every day.

  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  So - your warnings that you post, like this thread....are you encouraging people to go back to the Organization?

  I would rather encourage people to trust Jehovah and don't betray their brothers.

  I mean, why would I want to go back to an Organization that is about to face judgment and crumble?

  For one thing, there is no escaping Jehovah's judgments. The world is facing God's inescapable judgment. All institutions, systems, and peoples will stand before Jehovah during the oncoming judgment period. But, as regards Jehovah's organization, and what is called Jehovah's organization, namely the Watchtower Society, just because we come under God's judgment doesn't mean that all is lost. It will just require a good bit of faith to get through. Isn't that what we should expect?

  Or are you encouraging people to mend their relationship with God/Jehovah? Or both? I'm confused.

  The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society is nothing. Jehovah is God and we should worship him and nothing else. The Watchtower has served its purpose in our case only if we have developed a close relationship with God that is able to survive the fiery trials ahead. To some extent the apostate accusations are true, that Jehovah's Witnesses are followers of men and not God, so the coming demise of the Watchtower will allow each Witness the opportunity to demonstrate their faith more directly to God under the most trying of circumstances. The thing is, that if we are confused going in, it will be difficult to see our way clear. The tribulation is going to be a time of great confusion and fear. So, when people are terrorized they tend to make very bad decisions based upon animal instincts of survival. I am afraid that's going to be most people's undoing who don't have a very good concept of what the truth is. / You Know
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  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  http://www.zvis.com/nuclear/dimg.php3?baker1,crbaker

  http://www.zvis.com/nuclear/dimg.php3?rwmohawk1

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  You Know: Nineveh the key to this world's destiny!

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  let's admit it.

  the tireless preaching about the coming of god's peaceful new world order by those like yourself has no doubt changed the way people think about global peace and security in an upbuilding manner.. .

  the bible's message has reached into every nation on earth.

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  Let's admit it. The tireless preaching about the coming of God's peaceful new world order by those like yourself has no doubt changed the way people think about global peace and security in an upbuilding manner.

  You are kidding, right?

  The Bible's message has reached into every nation on Earth. People everywhere from the richest to the poorest want global peace forever.

  Yeah sure, every one wants peace, but on whose terms? The world is as immoral as it has ever been. The Bible says that the Ninevites repented at Jonah's preaching. That ain't happening now.

  Like Jonah, those like yourself and many others have warned the world of impending destruction by God as prophesied in the Bible. It seems that your efforts, and the efforts of others, might have done too good of a job ... just like the efforts of Jonah did thus.

  Some have. Most have not, and will not.

  They point to a glorious possibility that JEHOVAH may mercifully cancel the worldwide destruction called Armageddon, just as God's prophesy through Jonah was cancelled for the reasons given in verse 10. This would mean that all of mankind, not just JWs, will proceed directly into the millennial reign of Christ over the Earth during which our planet will be fully restored to environmentally pristine conditions that existed in the original Garden of Eden.

  That would be great if it were true. But it ain't. For one thing, were you aware of the fact that Nineveh was later destroyed at God's commmand? Read the book of Nahum. The entire prophecy is God's irreversible judgment upon the blood thirsty city of Nineveh. Furthermore, Jesus and Revelation have foretold that this system is going to be destroyed just as surely as were the notoriously wicked cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. Jesus matter of factly has foretold that most will not repent as did the Ninevites initially. / You Know

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  things are gettn interestinger and interestinger every day.

  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  Not a false step on my part, but a giant stumble on yours.

  Nonsense. It's not an all-or-nothing proposition. As I have pointed out, Jehovah's word acknowledges in advance that God's people, due to their own error, our own error, are going to get themselves in a mess. So, it really doesn't matter what apostates dredge up as supposed evidence of fraud in our claim to being Jehovah's people, Jehovah himself has the final say as to who belongs to him and who doesn't. Apostates are supremely presumptous in supposing otherwise.

  Can you tell us all which part of WTS teaching is well established doctrine and which part stands the chance of being irrelevant due to it being enmeshed with the man who is found to be liar.

  Yes, of course. But, first, my point was that the Watchtower is irrelevant as far as making or preventing Jehovah's word from succeeding. God doesn't need us or the Watchtower. Jehovah's word endures forever. But, as one of Jehovah's Witnesses: The part of our faith that is solidly based has to do with who Jehovah is and his purposes toward mankind and the earth. Matters having to do with God's kingdom comprized of his saints. The legal matters having to do with Christ's ransom, and such. None of that is in error. Perhaps there are some details yet to come to light, but nothing significant. Where Jehovah's servants always get blindsided, including the apostles, has to do with prophecy. That's why Jehovah asked the as-of yet unanswered rhetorical question: Who is blind, if not my servant, and who is deaf as the messenger whom I send? Since we claim to be Jehovah's servants and messengers, at some point we will have to humbly accept the fact that we have been blind and deaf to some rather significant features of God's prophetic word. But, that's all apart of the experience that God's word has already laid out for us. / You Know
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  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  I would like to seriously know if you will continue to wait for this great tribulation as long as it takes, even in the knowledge that some have waited over a hundred years now, and were told back then to expect it with great anticipation?

  I certainly hope so. Jesus admonished his followers to stay in anticipation of his return no matter how long it took. I think once Christians stop being vigilant they get into trouble. Realistically, though, it shouldn't be too much longer. When you have religious fanatics who are ready, willing, and now, apparently able, to blow up entire cities or unleash deadly chemical or biological agents on population centers, you have a system that is on the brink of an unthinkable catastrophe. Not only that, but the world's only super power is now targetting various 3rd world nations for potentail first strike nuclear attack. I just cant's see how the world's going to get out of this mess.

  Honestly, I can't grasp the sort of reasoning that just because Jesus hasn't arrived yet that he is not going to come. Similarly, it is sheer stupidity to reason that because the world has dodged the nuclear bullet before that it always will. The way things are rapidly shaping up I don't see anyway the system is going to get out of the dire mess that it is in. And, of course, Jesus said the world would reach a state of affairs where they could see no way out. Perhaps you are just not aware of how critical things have become in recent months? Given that the alternative to vigilance is somnolence, I chose to remain AWAKE!

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  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  Hillary's False Step:

  You entangle yourself in your own cunning.

  Funny, I was going to say the same of you. LOL

  There is no admonition here that people should found their belief on a lie, that is dangerous thinking for a man of God like yourself to use to try an entice a person to accept the lie of WTS thinking.

  I am not admonishing anyone to base their faith on a lie. On the contrary, Jehovah's Witnesses base their faith upon well established doctrine. However, according to the verses I cited Jehovah recognizes that even those who know him and serve him are subject to error. Just because apostates are induced to seize upon various errors, some real and some contrived, that doesn't mean we are not Jehovah's people. Each one will recieve their judgment. / You Know
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  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  Dawn:

  Jehovah's judgments are awesome and fear-inspiring. There's simply no other way to describe them. For example, read the book of Habakkuk sometime. It is described as a vision yet for the appointed time---for the future. It details how the modern-day Babylonian entraps and eats the nations as if they were mere hapless fishes caught in a net. The prophet himself after having the vision wrote: I heard, and my belly began to be agitated; at the sound my lips quivered; rotteness began to enter into my bones; and in my situation I was agitated, that I should quietly wait for the day of distress, for his coming up to the people that he may raid them. And yet Habakkuk welcomed Jehovah's judgments. Similarly, while the collapse of the system will be horrifying to the extend that Jesus said that men will become faint with fear, we who fear Jehovah will not be paralyzed with terror but will find the power to raise ourselves erect in anticipation of Jehovah's salvation. / You Know
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  on the international scene any number of scenarios can serve as triggers to set off wwiii, or the tribulation, whatever you may prefer to call it.

  the next cross-border atrocity by rogue militants could easily detonate a conflagration between nuclear-poised india and pakistan.

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  Hillary's False Step:

  Given this comment, which clearly indicates your own viewpoint the the WTS are liars, I can see that you are at last in a position to understand the ideological position that many are coming from who post to this and similar Boards.

  Actually, the apostle Paul included himself among "every man" who would prove to be a liar in the face of Jehovah's matchless truthfulness. So, given the fact that the apostles themselves stand as liars before God it is therefore no legitimate reason in God's eyes to cite various Watchtower errors as a excuse to beg off from one's faith. The true test of faith is hanging in and taking Jehovah's chastisment and scourging when it comes upon those whom he calls his own. As a matter of fact, the scripture says: "Who is blind, if not my servant, who is deaf as my messenger whom I send? Who is blind as the one rewarded, or blind as the servant of Jehovah? Jehovah clearly recognizes that his messengers, his servants, those whom he rewards, have some serious shortcomings when it comes to correctly interpreting his word. Now, though, since Jehovah recognizes the situation of those whom he calls "my messenger," and "my servant," it is only Jehovah who can properly correct his servants. Apostates merely serve as childish accusers who will of course be dealt with by Jehovah as well. / You Know